do you think there -- i want to ask you about nelson mandela. do you think there is a parallel between what nelson mandela fought for and what you're going through in the state of ohio? >> very similar parallels. and what president nelson mandela certainly was a force of nature. he was a force for social justice and good. and although we're talking a lot about his dignity and how humble he was and how strong he was, the fact of the matter is that he used his might to fight for justice in the fight for good. when we look at the long lines in that first election in south africa where black africans had the opportunity to vote, it was through that election that president nelson mandela was elected at the age of 75 years old. we see parallels in this country not only in the jim crow south in this country but also right now as republicans across the country and in the state of ohio are trying to turn back the hands of time when it comes to giving access to the voters, to the ballot box. it is the one place, ed, where all of us are equal. and we have